Comments on: Black Boxers – Fact or Fiction? http://odinkennels.wordpress.com/2008/02/12/black-boxers-fact-or-fiction/ Heaven goes by favor. If it went by merit, you would stay out and your dog would go in. Mon, 30 Nov 2009 02:03:05 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: cherie http://odinkennels.wordpress.com/2008/02/12/black-boxers-fact-or-fiction/#comment-167 cherie Fri, 13 Nov 2009 01:57:05 +0000 http://odinkennels.wordpress.com/?p=78#comment-167 I found this sight when i was looking for a black ( reverse brindle) To be honest I just love the look of the black boxer and would love to purchase one if anyone knows of a breeder near Toronto (canada) please let me know. cher1580@hotmail.com I found this sight when i was looking for a black ( reverse brindle) To be honest I just love the look of the black boxer and would love to purchase one if anyone knows of a breeder near Toronto (canada) please let me know. cher1580@hotmail.com

]]> By: Jennifer http://odinkennels.wordpress.com/2008/02/12/black-boxers-fact-or-fiction/#comment-161 Jennifer Mon, 19 Oct 2009 15:10:07 +0000 http://odinkennels.wordpress.com/?p=78#comment-161 The line of black Boxers that became extinct is the cross between the Schnauzer and the Bulldog. This is well-documented in Frau Stockmann's writing. The US breed standard clearly states the fawn coat color *must* be visible through the black striping - and the German breed standard does not even allow close striping or "reverse" brindling, much less a solid black dog. Of course in every country there are those who ignore the standard, and those who are careless about keeping other dogs from breeding their bitches. Black is a dominant color, so in order for a puppy to be black, a parent must be black. As well, you cannot get three coat colors from two brindle dogs - a dog can only carry two genes for coat color, and if a brindle produces a fawn you know it is carrying brindle and fawn. There's no 'room' for a black gene in such a dog. It is, however, entirely possible for a litter to have more than one sire. Kersten, I would be extremely interested in the information you have on "solid black" Boxers listed in the German studbooks. Since the FCI standard states that "Stripes must contrast distinctly to ground colour", and includes as faults "Stripes (brindling) too close together or too sparse. Sooty ground colour. Mingled colours. Other colours [than fawn or brindle]", I'm very interested to hear that these obviously major-faulted dogs are listed in the stud book. If the German breeding system is so superior to the US, how can they allow such a thing? The line of black Boxers that became extinct is the cross between the Schnauzer and the Bulldog. This is well-documented in Frau Stockmann’s writing. The US breed standard clearly states the fawn coat color *must* be visible through the black striping – and the German breed standard does not even allow close striping or “reverse” brindling, much less a solid black dog.

Of course in every country there are those who ignore the standard, and those who are careless about keeping other dogs from breeding their bitches.

Black is a dominant color, so in order for a puppy to be black, a parent must be black. As well, you cannot get three coat colors from two brindle dogs – a dog can only carry two genes for coat color, and if a brindle produces a fawn you know it is carrying brindle and fawn. There’s no ‘room’ for a black gene in such a dog. It is, however, entirely possible for a litter to have more than one sire.

Kersten, I would be extremely interested in the information you have on “solid black” Boxers listed in the German studbooks. Since the FCI standard states that “Stripes must contrast distinctly to ground colour”, and includes as faults “Stripes (brindling) too close together or too sparse. Sooty ground colour. Mingled colours. Other colours [than fawn or brindle]“, I’m very interested to hear that these obviously major-faulted dogs are listed in the stud book. If the German breeding system is so superior to the US, how can they allow such a thing?

]]> By: Denny Still http://odinkennels.wordpress.com/2008/02/12/black-boxers-fact-or-fiction/#comment-158 Denny Still Sun, 11 Oct 2009 22:17:10 +0000 http://odinkennels.wordpress.com/?p=78#comment-158 You seem to contradict yourself. How can something become extinct if it is genetically impossible to have been here in the first place? It is possible to have the black striping completly cover the fawn. You state that yourself. I have a sealed reverse brindle (black) and she is all 100% boxer, and very beautiful. Germany has many "blacks" and lots of them you can see the brindle, but many are all black with white markings. You seem to contradict yourself. How can something become extinct if it is genetically impossible to have been here in the first place? It is possible to have the black striping completly cover the fawn. You state that yourself. I have a sealed reverse brindle (black) and she is all 100% boxer, and very beautiful. Germany has many “blacks” and lots of them you can see the brindle, but many are all black with white markings.

]]> By: Debbie http://odinkennels.wordpress.com/2008/02/12/black-boxers-fact-or-fiction/#comment-145 Debbie Wed, 15 Jul 2009 18:41:25 +0000 http://odinkennels.wordpress.com/?p=78#comment-145 I have a b&w boxer. Two pure breed brindle sisters were breed with a pure breed brindle male. The pups were born a week apart. Between the two girls they had 6 b&w, 2 fawns and 4 brindles. Grew up with boxers and this is the only breed I have ever had. I noticed that Zues is the smallest boxer I have ever had (not sure if this has something to do with b&w). In the sun you can see some brown stripping sometimes but only in the sun. In the house he looks totally black and white. I have a b&w boxer. Two pure breed brindle sisters were breed with a pure breed brindle male. The pups were born a week apart. Between the two girls they had 6 b&w, 2 fawns and 4 brindles. Grew up with boxers and this is the only breed I have ever had. I noticed that Zues is the smallest boxer I have ever had (not sure if this has something to do with b&w). In the sun you can see some brown stripping sometimes but only in the sun. In the house he looks totally black and white.

]]> By: stephanie http://odinkennels.wordpress.com/2008/02/12/black-boxers-fact-or-fiction/#comment-144 stephanie Fri, 26 Jun 2009 03:46:14 +0000 http://odinkennels.wordpress.com/?p=78#comment-144 I have a very fine AKc black male boxer. He has no brindle in him at all. He makes most fawn boxers look like a mixed breed!! I have a very fine AKc black male boxer. He has no brindle in him at all. He makes most fawn boxers look like a mixed breed!!

]]> By: Kersten Riegel http://odinkennels.wordpress.com/2008/02/12/black-boxers-fact-or-fiction/#comment-115 Kersten Riegel Tue, 25 Nov 2008 11:21:33 +0000 http://odinkennels.wordpress.com/?p=78#comment-115 Hey there from Germany, well as far as I seen those B&W ´s it realy turned out that they are deep black, with no signs of stripes or brindels. And I can tell you that all 6 B&W Boxer I personaly know are from well known breeders in Germany and are all proudly listed in the books of the BK München. Sincerly Kersten Riegel Hey there from Germany, well as far as I seen those B&W ´s it realy turned out that they are deep black, with no signs of stripes or brindels. And I can tell you that all 6 B&W Boxer I personaly know are from well known breeders in Germany and are all proudly listed in the books of the BK München.
Sincerly
Kersten Riegel

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